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Add minutes for December 5 Coordination (#1622)
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| title: "HSF Coordination Meeting #279, 5 December 2024" | ||
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| ## Attending | ||
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| Present/Contributing: Graeme Stewart, Michel Jouvin, Patrick Gartung, Eduardo Rodrigues, Joseph Osborn, Torre Wenaus, Stefan Roiser, Claire Antel, Sapta Battacharya, Alex Moreno, Krzysztof Genser, Tommaso Lari, Pere Mato | ||
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| Apologies/Contributing: Alexander Held | ||
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| ## News, general matters, announcements | ||
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| ### European Strategy Update (ESPPU) | ||
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| We have had four of the meetings to gather inputs with the community: | ||
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| - Detector simulation | ||
| - Reconstruction and Software Triggers | ||
| - Training and Careers | ||
| - Generators (met on Nov 15th) | ||
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| Data Analysis group meeting will be [Dec. 16](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1486671/), announcement to follow shortly. | ||
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| *Should we make a specific call for further inputs now? Contact conveners?* | ||
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| - Yes. | ||
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| Contact made with all the LHC experiments plus DUNE and Belle II. Generally they seem well disposed to signing the document. | ||
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| #### Preparing the Draft | ||
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| Schedule is to have a draft ready in January. Because of the extra time needed by the experiments to endorse, we would like to target 17 January for this to be ready. | ||
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| Suggestion: as we expect a lot of activity in terms of comments we begin this as a Google Doc. (The intention would be to finalise as LaTeX.) | ||
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| - Agreed on both points. | ||
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| ### HSF Seminar Series and Compute Accelerator Forum | ||
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| [Seminar Indico Category](https://indico.cern.ch/category/18810/). | ||
| [Compute & Accelerator Forum Category](https://indico.cern.ch/category/12741/) | ||
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| Third HSF seminar took place last week: Event Generation on GPUs | ||
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| Next scheduled seminar dates are: | ||
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| - 29 January: no topic identified yet, any volunteer? | ||
| - Sapta: Future colliders (including Key4Hep, 1 detector) | ||
| - 19 February: Verrou, floating point stability check | ||
| - 26 February: 4D reconstruction | ||
| - 26 March: EPPSU | ||
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| Other experiments? Einstein telescope / GW Low Latency analysis ? Can discuss with Paul. | ||
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| We are discussing how to optimise organisation of the events - concrete proposal to follo after an SG discussion. | ||
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| ### Advisory Group | ||
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| Date of the first AG meeting is not yet set. Graeme will send around a Newdle before the end of the year (target end of January). Setting up mailing list now. | ||
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| ### HSF Affiliated Projects and Software | ||
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| *We need to find people to help do these reviews.* They are fairly lightweight and should not take a lot of time - we are checking usefulness and impact in the community, as well as software development and project best practices. | ||
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| The [NNPDF collaboration](https://github.com/NNPDF) asked more than a month ago to be included - discussions with generator conveners to find an additional reviewer. | ||
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| We should also start to approach our previous projects. Volunteers? | ||
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| Todo: add on the HSF site a page with the list of affiliated projects. | ||
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| ## Activity Updates | ||
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| Thanks for people who have made their intentions clear, either to stay on or step down. | ||
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| We anticipate calls for new conveners in most groups: Data Analysis, Simulation, PyHEP, Reco and SW Triggers, Dev Tools and Packaging, Training, Physics Generators. JuliaHEP is TBD. | ||
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| **We are now seeking nominations for these groups.** Please contact [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) (currently Benedikt, Claire, Michel, Liz, Graeme, and Paul). | ||
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| ### Data Analysis | ||
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| Announcement for Dec 16 ESPPU to follow shortly: [agenda](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1486671/) | ||
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| ### Software Training | ||
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| We are planning activities for next year, including training events and hackathons, and we hope to have a complete plan by the end of the year-beginning of January | ||
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| HSF/IRIS-HEP Software Basics Training - June 18-20, 2025, at CERN | ||
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| A date for the [12th HEP C++ Course and Hands-on Training - The Essentials](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1477096/) has been set for the week 10-14 March. | ||
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| ### Software Tools and Packaging | ||
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| Nothing to report. | ||
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| ### Detector Simulation | ||
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| - Sent a reminder to provide ESSPU input in addition to the one provided at the November 22nd meeting; | ||
| - Next step would be to start drafting the main points and the text | ||
| - Geant4 Technical Forum to be held on [December 12th](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1482839/) | ||
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| ### Reconstruction and Software Trigger | ||
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| [Mini workshop on ESPPU input](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1475492/) | ||
| - Had *excellent* speakers giving *excellent* talks. | ||
| - Recording available - see agenda (glad we recorded it in the end!) | ||
| - Attendance was ~35 people(?) (varied as long 3-hour session). Roughly 50/50 split between ATLAS & LHCb with ~1-2 from CMS, ALICE, ePIC (but key people, e.g. computing coordinators amongst them). | ||
| - No one from DUNE & Belle II (we believe?). | ||
| - Tried to summarise the main messages and discussion points, [see here!](https://cernbox.cern.ch/external/public/BcwnnBuIKBeQ4rt/HSF_TriggerReco_ESPPU2025.md) | ||
| - Also advertised beforehand and during meeting [Google doc](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qNhQ-IjPAmL2-Mx2tXtDAloPLWFprIt9mToa11iQb9M/edit?tab=t.0) for community input, in particular as not much time for discussion. But doc mostly only used by us (convenors). | ||
| - Quick thoughts on some topics that may have not been covered: | ||
| - Offline computing: In particular challenges of hetereogenous computing technologies? Main focus was all around trigger, with exception of 4D reco. | ||
| - Energy sustainability: Natural common thread throughout _all_ topics though - is this something we can address generally in the HSF document? | ||
| - No problem to add a paragraph on this that may be moved in a common section | ||
| - Graeme: wider issue of environmental sustainability, it's not just CO2 | ||
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| ### PyHEP | ||
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| The report to the PSF concerning the sponsorship for the PyHEP 2024 workshop was submitted last week. | ||
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| ### Physics Generators | ||
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| Work done related to ESPPU | ||
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| ### JuliaHEP | ||
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| We are starting to plan the JuliaHEP 2025 workshop. | ||
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| ## AOB | ||
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| ### Next Meeting | ||
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| Next meeting will be [16 January](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1477045/) | ||
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| - Meeting planned on December 19 is cancelled | ||
| - ESSPU work progress will be followed up by email | ||
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| ### 2025 Meetings | ||
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| [Coordination meeting slots](https://indico.cern.ch/category/7970/) have been booked for 2025 - the usual pattern every two weeks on *odd* weeks of the year. The first meeting next year will be on 16 January 2025. | ||
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| Reminder: please [sign up](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z1Z4payCpieOLiVFcC6y9j-KCj71u6xX232LHUgIHfI/edit) for chairing this or one of the future coordination meetings - including 2025! | ||
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