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Customer reported a potential issue with GFS tropopause height #1055
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@ChristopherHill-NOAA was assigned to work on this issue. Adding @WenMeng-NOAA and @GeorgeGayno-NOAA for awareness. Chris is preparing a slide to document his findings. |
Findings to date:
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Chris will POC or website for ECMWF products and inform Huiya. |
Meeting notes from 10/7/2024 tag-up
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Bo Cui and Jiayi Peng provided insight of ECMWF datasets that are ported daily to WCOSS. A sample of ECMWF data files from 2024102712 was selected for review for potential inclusion of tropopause data. Specific focus was made with GRIB file U1D1027120010280001, which contained deterministic model output for forecast hour 12 at 0.25º resolution from the ECMWF. A total of 110 variables were identified from the datafile through 'wgrib' and 'wgrib2' analysis. Of the 110 variables, none was found to explicitly contain tropopause information, and 6 variables were left 'undefined' by wgrib/wgrib2 analysis. The GRIB file was converted to a GEMPAK grid file for data analysis, and none of the 6 undefined variables was found to feature values resembling height or pressure data - let alone to resemble tropopause information. The tropopause pressure variable is featured among many other variables in the complete deterministic dataset available directly from ECMWF. This complete dataset is stated to be available to ECMWF-member nations only, and otherwise available via license (commercial or research) to other entities. Specific POC information for potentially acquiring such data will need to be uncovered. An October 2021 implementation document from the ECMWF website provides information pertaining to the introduction of their 'tropopause pressure' variable and its computation, which could potentially yield a method for reconstructing tropopause pressure values from freely available ECMWF model data - and thereby allow a direct comparison of GFS vs ECMWF tropopause data. |
The tropopause pressure formula, provided in a document by ECMWF, was applied to radiosonde sounding data from Station 72251 on 1200 UTC 23 August 2024. A spreadsheet was used to initially apply calculations to the sounding data as was retrieved from both the NCEI-IGRA site and the University of Wyoming site. The initial attempt to calculate the tropopause pressure yielded 261.1 hPa from the IGRA dataset and 151.0 hPa from the UWY dataset, with the difference resulting from the precision of the pressure and temperature values available from the two data sources. Resorting of all available vertical level data from the IGRA sounding may yield a result nearer that of the UWY sounding, as the tropopause criterion calculation was missed at 145.2 hPa by 0.8%. The tropopause pressure formula is intended to be applied to freely available ECMWF datasets, with the results to be compared against corresponding GFS datasets. |
In Aug 2024, an user reported GFS tropopause height was higher than the obs tropopause height derived by NCAR using radio sound data. See attached email.
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Mail - Re_ Significant bias in NOAA-derived tropopause height.pdf
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