Custom Badge Names

[innerthunder]

Continuing discussion from #242 ...

There are a few problems with pulling badge names directly from mainline:

• Gym Leaders from the same gym/city have overlapping names for their badges. If we want to make unique badges for each leader, these names should be changed to avoid confusion.
• The Gen 8-9 Badges have very bland names that don't fit the pattern of other gens, with badges from 8 being named after their type and 9 being named after their city.

The badges that may need to be renamed are:

• Kanto's Soul Badge (if Koga is added)
• Hoenn's Rain Badge (if Wallace is added as a gym leader)
• Unova's Trio and Basic badges
• All badges from Galar (and Paldea?)

[innerthunder]

For the Gen 8 badges, it might be a good idea to base the names off of the leaders' taglines in SwSh:

• Milo (Grass) > Farmer Badge ("The fighting farmer!")
• Nessa (Water) > Raging Badge ("The raging wave!", Wave Badge is already used)
• Kabu (Fire) > Burning Badge ("The ever-burning man of fire!")
• Bea (Fighting) > Karate Badge ("The Galar karate prodigy!")
• Allister (Ghost) > Mystery Badge ("The silent boy of mystery!")
• Opal (Fairy) > Fantasy Badge ("The master of a fantastic theater!")
• Bede (Fairy) > Arabesque Badge (No tagline, so named after Ballonlea's JP name)
• Gordie (Rock) > Crush Badge ("The hard-rock crusher!")
• Melony (Ice) > Cold Badge ("The ice-cold professional!")

Piers and Marnie don't have taglines, so we could base theirs off of Spikemuth and its slogan

• Piers (Dark) > Spike Badge
• Marnie (Dark) > Punk Badge

[innerthunder]

Those tag lines only work in english tho.

Is it a compatibility issue (i.e. does it add overlap with other badges in other languages)?

I don't know if there'd be a naming convention that "works" for every language. @gerolau 's city idea, for example, didn't work that well for certain badges, e.g. "Circus badge" for Gordie/Melony

[CodeTappert]

If you give other languages a little more freedom with the names for those gen 8 ones we can go with the quote concept

[innerthunder]

Paldea's gym leaders have similar taglines, if we want to follow that pattern:

• Katy (Cortondo) > Sugarbug ("The Sugarbug")
• Brassius (Artazon) > Verdant ("The Verdant Virtuoso")
• Iono (Levincia) > Supercharged ("The Supercharged Streamer")
• Kofu (Cascarrafa) > Surging ("The Surging Chef")
• Larry (Medali) > Everyman ("The Exceptional Everyman")
• Tulip (Alfornada) > Beauty ("The Bewitching Beautician")
• Grusha (Glaseado) > Sub-zero ("The Sub-zero Shredder")

Ryme's tagline ("The MC of RIP") doesn't lend itself to an obvious badge name, though...

[gerolau]

I would just make it Rest/Peace Badge for ryme if we followed that scheme (feels fair with the theming of houndstone).

[KodaWantToSleep]

Those tag lines only work in english tho.

I'm honestly not sure that's an issue because the canon badge name don't really follow that convention anyway, it's more of an easy way to get thematic names for a lot of them quickly than anything I think, so if the other languages lose some of the context it should still be fine as long as it's still roughly in the right theme

[Tempo-anon]

The names can be whatever (I agree the gen 8+9 badges are just awful, especially since the Psychic/Fairy badge are from gen 6) with the locale key, but I wanted to keep at least some semblance of official naming convention in the enums file, lest we abandon that nomenclature completely and just go with BADGE_GYMLEADERNAME

[innerthunder]

It seems like gameplay-wise they won't be directly tied to their respective leaders, so I don't think going with BADGE_GYMLEADERNAME is the right call.

[Tempo-anon]

Another ting to discuss, but I'd find it weird if Brock would offer anything but the boulder badge. I was thinking each badge corresponded to a specific gym leader and thus would have specific effects.

i.e. Falkner's "People say you can clip flying-type Pokémon's wings with a jolt of electricity... I won't allow such insults to bird Pokémon" -> Flying Pokemon you own take X% less damage from Electric moves

[Tempo-anon]

And even if Brock offered something like any 3 random rock badges, I think it's still fine to have the enums somewhere identify who the true owner of a badge is, if only to just make things clearer

[innerthunder]

I guess it also makes sense to do so if gym battles also give the gym leader their badge effect 🤔

[Tempo-anon]

I think that would be cool, that way the badges can also be themed around their teams (though maybe with a buff when they're using it) and dialogue

i.e. When Falkner uses the Zephyr badge the grade is set to AI_ONLY and has a 50% damage reduction to electric type while when the player gets it, it's only 20%. This can also be tweaked so they're always useful like Tate and Liza's mind badge can be something like you deal 20% less damage to allies but in the AI_ONLY grade that they use they take a flat 20% less damage from all sources.

[CodeTappert]

Continuing discussion from #242 ...

There are a few problems with pulling badge names directly from mainline:

• Gym Leaders from the same gym/city have overlapping names for their badges. If we want to make unique badges for each leader, these names should be changed to avoid confusion.
• The Gen 8-9 Badges have very bland names that don't fit the pattern of other gens, with badges from 8 being named after their type and 9 being named after their city.

The badges that may need to be renamed are:

• Kanto's Soul Badge (if Koga is added)
• Hoenn's Rain Badge (if Wallace is added as a gym leader)
• Unova's Trio and Basic badges
• All badges from Galar (and Paldea?)

We are missing (names):

• Kanto: Koga and Blue
• Hoenn: Walace
• Unova: Trio Badge, Basic Badge and Legend Badge)
• All of Gen 7
• All of Gen 8
• All of Gen 9

We miss Koga, Walace, Iris and Blue as Trainer Classes as gym Leader. As well as a combined trainer class as gym leader for tate and liza

[CodeTappert]

We need to discuss Gen 7 also. First if we want to add the trial captains and kahunas as gym leaders. If so what their badeges should be named

[innerthunder]

For the record, this would be 11 new badges if all the named trial captains and kahunas are added. If we want to cut down on this, 1 trial captain + 1 kahuna per island would make 8 new badges (I've never played gen 7, so idk which ones are more notable/important)

[CodeTappert]

I am all for adding all 11 of them. Since we are adding all gym leaders from all other gens.

[gerolau]

Went combing through the gen 5 badges to try and work on dividing up the ones we have there, these will likely be the most annoying

Canonically, every dupe here makes sense as its either two leaders from different games giving out the same badge, or its the trio badge which has the whole point of being the same for all 3 brothers.

My proposals
Cheren Chili and Cress:
to me it makes the most sense to leave these as just the trio badge, and to denote who gave it after similar to how we do the voucher achievements for tate and liza right now. however, there is also a very simple solution in making them new custom badges based on their aces, being a hypothetical Sage Badge Pour Badge and Sear Badge.

Lenora and Cheren
I think Lenora should keep the basic badge and we can give Cheren a custom one, its kinda dumb such a major character was just given a previous gym leaders badge instead of his own. The tagline on Cheren's gym is "The one who seeks the right path.", which is very stand out from Lenoras being "An Archeologist with Backbone." I propose giving Cheren the Right Badge, which could also play off of the fact that he is a school teacher (right as in correct)

Drayden and Iris
One, as i type this comment its suddenly occuring to me i have never seen alder in game wtf. Two, im iffy on adding iris back in because i am unsure what we could do for her that isnt just The Same Thing As Drayden. The tagline solution with been opting for somewhat works here, but its a massive stretch. Iris can stay the Legend Badge, and Draydens tagline is "The Spartan Mayor". While I dont want to contemplate rn if this means the fall of greece is canon in pokemon, we could make his the Spartan Badge and call it a day.